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By djokovic
Posted Mon Apr 12, 2010 at 07:42:24 PM PDT
Hi,I am a senior in high school who wants to be a math major for college. I have the option of chosing between Princeton, MIT, Caltech and Harvard, or a local university that offered me a full ride (and 12K per year for food, clothing, etc.)

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The local university has a great math faculty willing to research with undergrads, and I have already completed the calculus sequence, differential equations, discrete math, and number theory (and received A's in all of the classes), so they will permit me to take grad classes as an under grad. Basically, my question is, if I do good in the Putnam and GRE, and maintain a 4.0 GPA, do you think I have a decent chance at the finest grad schools (like U Chicago, MIT, Stanford)? Or do you think I should spend all the extra money to go to Princeton VS MIT VS Caltech VS Harvard? My local college is ranked in the top 100 by USNWR, and I know that if I push myself, I will be able to receive an undergrad math education comparable to that of the top undergrad math programs. But is it enough to get into a good grad program?
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by dnchelst on Wed Apr 14, 2010 at 07:20:51 AM PDT

Hi. While the local college will certainly be cheaper, I'm not sure whether the point of an undergraduate education is simply to lead you to graduate school. Perhaps, you might want to learn something more along the way. I suspect you would have more challenging educational opportunities at a better school. Neglecting that, I have friends who made it into elite graduate programs from regular colleges. The only caveat is that those graduate programs may not give you credit for graduate courses taken at a different college of lesser caliber. So, once you exhaust the regular undergraduate courses, you may have some difficulty. I am no expert on reciprocity agreements between universities, so perhaps someone else may be able to supply better information on that subject. Lastly, plenty of incredibly intelligent people who are quite mathematically-gifted decide not to pursue a graduate degree. This may happen during college or during graduate school. You're only in high school. So, keep an open mind towards the future. You may want to have a few additional attractive options available to you.



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by Cotati on Sun Apr 18, 2010 at 06:02:22 PM PDT

If as a high school student you have already complete so many lower division courses at your local college -- with straight A's no less -- you are sitting in the cat-bird seat. From the sounds of it, a big factor is economics: why load up with student loan debt to attend one of the top-ranked schools when another decent university is offering you a full ride? (I assume that you have been accepted at those top-ranked schools you mentioned, probably including some amount of scholarship or other financial aid, but not a "full ride".) As you say, with good choices on your part (and it helps to find a good mentor among the faculty) you can get just as good an education at a smaller school as at one of the big places. I have heard it said that there is a certain cahcet of having a degree from certain of the big-name schools, that it can open certain doors in certain fields (like in business, politics, ...), but I don't think this applies in the math community much. We are pretty much merit based. And while acquiring debt for the sake of some advanced degrees such as law or medicine may make sense, it makes much less sense for an undergraduate degree .

My expectation is that if you do the things you say -- take grad level courses, maintain high grades, do well on the math subject GRE and even the Putnam, do some research as an undergrad -- that you would be accepted into the grad program of any of the top schools.

The comment by dncheist is well-taken. It is true that grad schools generally do not give you credit for grad courses taken at another school, whether those courses were taken as an undergraduate or not. But that is a small issue. A PhD program is not about taking courses. Most PhD programs in the US have some sort of exam or set of exams that you take early on, say by the end your second year. Some call them preliminary exams, some call them qualifying exams, but the intent is usually to demonstrate mastery of several sets of standard material: algebra, real and/or complex analysis, PDEs, topology, ... the list varies by school. And along with these exams, most schools have a corresponding suite of course sequences to help you master this material. If as an undergrad you have mastered one or more of these subject areas, then you can probably take the corresponding test without having to take the corresponding course sequence. The credit does not matter. And then you can get on to the important stuff -- research -- that much sooner.

It must be exciting to have the prospect of essentially beginning grad school while being an undergraduate. Again dncheist's comment is apropos. While pursuing the math, don't forget that there is more to life than math. My undergraduate mentor, a prof. in the math department, always advised undergrads to take at least one fun, non-math related course each term. Music, art, dancing, history, ... whatever interests you. In his view, there was nothing sadder than a mathematician who is *only* a mathematician. The undergraduate program is an opportunity to become well-rounded. (Too many undergrads exit college with a bachelor's degree and no real education to show for it -- even from big-name schools.)



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by Mixtapes on Tue Aug 31, 2010 at 10:45:16 AM PDT

I would choose Harvard. Having them as your Alma Mater is very helpful when looking for jobs.
Lil Wayne Mixtapes



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