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Joint Meetings interviews redux Job Search

By nowhiring
from the there were talks? department
Posted Sun Feb 01, 2009 at 04:59:12 PM PDT
Like many employers, we interviewed most of our top candidates at the Joint Meetings in DC. It's the third time I've done these sort of interviews (at least on this side of the table), but it's been a few years. Mostly we thought our candidates were great. Only a few times did the time seem to drag on forever (always a bad sign from either side). More thoughts after the jump...

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As jobhunter08 noted the job market appears to be pretty bad for candidates this year. You might think that this would be better for those of us doing the hiring, but it sure doesn't feel like it. Compared with a few years ago, candidates seemed better prepared and more professional, making it harder for us to make decisions. I'll try to organize the rest of my observations into a couple of categories.

Dress. I was pleasantly surprised to see that almost all of our candidates dressed up appropriately. In the past we always had to suffer through some stuck-up young punk who thought that just because the math world is pretty laid back and relaxed, he could dress down for an interview. I looked like fewer candidates made that mistake this year.

Preparation. I also thought that this year's candidates had done their due diligence, carefully reading through our website before the interview. Many mentioned specific things about the department and our students. This is a big change from back before the Web - or even the early days when about all we had online was our names.

Answers.As for candidates answers, they were (for the most part) thoughtful and really well informed. We only had one or two real duds - one where the poor guy must have mixed us up with another school. As in the past, it seemed like the women were just better interviewees than the men. (I think this might be a comment on the social skills of men in mathematics.)

Talks. There were talks?

DC Venue. What a maze! If it wasn't for those friendly hotel workers at the bottom of each escalator, I would still be wandering around looking for the Employment Center or the Washington Ballroom (OK, so I made it to one talk.)

Job Market. There was definitely a different, more desperate feel to the job seekers this year. Back in the mid-90's, I remember hearing horror stories of people getting just a couple of interviews at places they didn't really want to go. I don't think it's that bad, but the market certainly isn't like it was for the last couple of years. Makes me feel lucky.

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[new] Questions (none / 0) (#1)
by now searching on Wed Feb 04, 2009 at 09:18:55 AM PDT

What was the best question you were asked by a candidate?  

What do you think was the most informative question you asked?



[new] Dress code attitude seems extreme (none / 0) (#2)
by Master Bratak on Wed Feb 04, 2009 at 11:25:54 AM PDT

What level of dress do you find acceptable? I fail to understand why someone should wear a suit to an interview with people dressed so much more casually.



[new] Dress code remark.... wow... (none / 0) (#3)
by mathprof001 on Wed Feb 04, 2009 at 02:45:35 PM PDT

In case people missed it, I am referring to the comment "we always had to suffer through some stuck-up young punk..." Maybe I misunderstood the purpose of this forum, but I thought it was supposed to be a place for young mathematicians to be able to chat about their concerns in a relaxed friendly atmosphere.

I understand that interviewing many people is probably a frustrating process, but I still think such a comment is out of line. I am sure at least some of the people who do not dress up do not know any better. None of the professors that I knew while a graduate student had ever attended the joint meetings, let alone interviewed for a small school position. If you don't have advice from colleagues and don't have friends that have been through the process, I can understand making the mistake. Every job candidate that came through the school I was attending while a graduate student wore jeans and a t-shirt or such to their interview and that was fine.

I interviewed with several schools (research and teaching) where the people doing the interviewing were not dressed up. Given this I definitely don't think there is a set dress code for such interviews.

I also think it is important to keep in mind the process isn't pleasant for the person being interviewed either. I recall several schools telling me one thing on the phone and finding out it was not like that at all once I wasted the time (and on one occasion airfare for my wife) to visit the university.

Even though I am no longer searching for a job (thank goodness!) I have enjoyed reading this year's jobs postings. I hope that in the future they can get back to being informative and less demeaning to people desperately seeking a job.



[new] "stuck-up young punk" explained (none / 0) (#7)
by nowhiring on Thu Feb 12, 2009 at 07:11:51 PM PDT

Apologies for offending you. When I wrote this, I was thinking about one applicant in particular. If you'd met him I think you'd agree. He showed up to an on-campus interview sporting a t-shirt and leather jacket with stylish sunglasses that he insisted on keeping on the entire day. I have to admit that it was more his attitude than his attire that really turned everyone off.

What's appropriate attire? I know that different schools have different attitudes about this. We generally think that a suit isn't necessary but either a coat or a tie is sufficient. For women, it's a little harder to say - but honestly, it always seems like women know better than to underdress.



[new] dress code - another perspective (none / 0) (#8)
by dkung on Sun Feb 15, 2009 at 11:53:54 AM PDT

I thought I'd throw out a very different perspective regarding interview dress. As everyone's noted, we're a in a pretty casual profession. For comparison, try attending the major History convention (AHA) or English convention (MLA). At either of those, it's hard to tell the candidates from the non-candidates. At the Joint Math meetings, the job seekers stick out quite a bit.

I'm at a public liberal arts school with seven mathematicians. I won't speak for my colleagues, but I've never had an issue with any candidate's dress. When we host someone for an on campus interview, we tend to dress a little nicer than usual (I put the running shoes away for a day) if only to make the candidate feel comfortable.





[new] Joint Meetings interviews redux (none / 0) (#9)
by Jane5565 on Wed Apr 15, 2009 at 11:30:09 AM PDT

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[new] Interviews are important (none / 0) (#11)
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[new] Don't be nervous (none / 0) (#12)
by LaurieV on Thu Mar 11, 2010 at 07:17:24 PM PDT

Yes, the job market is very fierce right now. However, there are the lucky people that do find jobs and keep them for a long time. It happened to me at the cheap health insurance firm that I now work for. It just happened that there was an opening and I was the person that filled it.



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