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Lessons Learned from Getting Scooped Grad Life

By Emil Volcheck
Posted Sat Apr 26, 2003 at 11:13:24 AM PDT

We say that someone is scooped when another person beats them to a result and publishes it first. I was scooped while working on my doctoral thesis, but I managed to keep my research on track. In this article I will share some good advice I received as well as some lessons I learned.

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Lessons Learned from Getting Scooped

We say that someone is scooped when another person beats them to a result and publishes it first. I was scooped while working on my doctoral thesis, but I managed to keep my research on track. In this article I will share some good advice I received as well as some lessons I learned.

Early in grad school, I learned what it means to get scooped from a mathematician working for a software firm. He had dropped out of his doctoral program because he got scooped. I had heard of the term from journalism, but I was a bit shocked to hear that such a thing could happen to a graduate student in mathematics. I assumed that if that happened, you would at least be allowed to finish writing your thesis, even if you couldn't submit it to a journal. However, frequently a graduate student is told to find another topic. Graduate students who can't salvage something from their thesis research either start over or drop out.

About a year after I started working with my advisor on the problem he suggested for my thesis, I developed a specific formulation of the problem and a particular approach to solving it. I presented a thesis proposal at my orals, and the committee approved it. One month later, a team of two researchers at another university announced a solution to the problem and released a preprint. I was scooped. That same month, my advisor told me he was taking early retirement and moving to another city.

The graduate advisor discussed with me the possibility of finding a new advisor and/or a new thesis topic. I believed that I had a better approach to the problem and could find a more elegant solution, at least with respect to certain technical issues. Continuing to work on the problem appeared to be risky, but I had already invested a lot of effort and could not bear to let go.

The graduate advisor counseled me to “work off the abstract,” that is, to read only the abstract and not the whole preprint. He believed that I should read the statement of their results in order to know what I had to beat. By not learning their methods, I could best preserve the independence of my approach. He also suggested that since other researchers were working on the topic, the topic was probably important.

This strategy helped me to keep my research on track, and I developed a better solution to the problem. I made contact with those two researchers after I got my result, and they invited me to give a colloquium talk in their department. In the end, everything worked out, but my prospects did look bleak for a time. Here are some lessons I learned from the experience.

Lesson 1: Contact other researchers working in your area.

Don't assume your advisor knows who is pursuing what topics in your area of research. Those two researchers who scooped me learned about the topic from my advisor when he presented it as an open problem in a colloquium lecture he gave at their department the year before I entered graduate school. They never told my advisor they started working on the problem. My advisor never told me he had given the problem out to other researchers.

As part of your work to develop a thesis proposal, inquire around to see if anybody else is interested in the topic. Search arXiv.org and MathSciNet. Check abstracts from conferences in the field or AMS special sessions. Ask your advisor to suggest names of people to contact, and ask for help if you don't feel comfortable sending email to them yourself. Attending conferences and networking is one of the best ways to get this kind of information, but unless the conference is local, it's hard for a graduate student to get there.

If your advisor rarely attends conferences, then you need to work even harder at checking out a thesis topic.

Lesson 2: Work off the abstract.

If you've been scooped, first read only the abstract of a result published by a competitor. If you want to continue your research, establish an approach that will likely give a different or better result. Refrain from reading further into their paper until you need to understand their results in detail.

Lesson 3: Your advisor may not be supportive.

Your advisor may blame you for getting scooped because (he thinks) you didn't work hard or fast enough. Your advisor might also feel defensive when this happens if he recommended the topic and believes that the situation reflects poorly on him.

Lesson 4: Look for alternate projects.

When developing your thesis proposal and doing your research, pay attention to related questions or applications. You could develop an idea for a side project that might give you something to fall back on if you get scooped on your primary topic.

Let's hear from you!

As you might imagine, getting scooped is a difficult experience that can be hard to talk about. I hope that this article will stimulate some further discussion and exchange of ideas.

Have you or anyone you know been scooped? How did the situation get resolved? Post your experiences, stories and comments below (click on the Post a Comment link).

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[new] getting scooped (none / 0) (#1)
by Anonymous Hero on Thu May 01, 2003 at 07:53:02 PM PDT

Hi everyone,
Here is my story.
My PhD adviser is a famous mathematician from a
foreign country. He's got very few connections in
the US and does not have any collaborators,
as far as I know. The range of problems that he
is interested in is rather broad.
I was perfectly happy with that.

***
He had me work on
a conjectural statement connected to a famous
conjecture of his.
He explained me that the existing ideas are not
sufficient, and it would be nice if I can learn
some tools from a related field. Then I should
try to apply ideas from that area to my problem.
I spent about two years learning the new tools that
he was suggesting and in the meantime I had also
proved some nice (small) result unrelated to his
problem.  
He told me that it would be about 25% of my thesis.
I was perfectly happy with that.

***
Then I started working on the suggested problem
and solved it. Initially he said that would be my
thesis. Then I wrote the authors of the conjecture
and found out that one of them had the problem solved
(about 4 months ahead of me)
and his preprint was already submitted to a journal.

***
As I said before, my adviser does not talk to anybody
and consequently he was not even aware of the status
of my problem. When I told him, he changed his mind
with respect to my graduation and gave me one more
year to solve some other question. He didn't give
me a specific one, realizing that I would have
little time to solve it.

***
Honestly, I was thinking of changing fields
at that point. Finally, the summer was a good time
for me to rethink my options and decided that
I could still do something. And I solved some
other small question and graduated.

***
Unfortunately, mathematics is a field where the
big fish eats the small fish. My advise for you,
if you happen to be in graduate school and read
this: don't choose advisors who are newcomers to
the US (I feel sorry to say that, I'm an international
person myself), are less active or have very few
connections. You may end up in the role of the small
fish.

***

Good luck to you all!



[new] Avoiding getting scooped (none / 0) (#3)
by Anonymous Hero on Wed May 14, 2003 at 03:57:01 PM PDT

Beating them to the Punch

Emil Volcheck's recent piece on "getting scooped" reminded me of my situation as a graduate student years ago. Back in '92, I was working in quantum groups, mostly reading in the area and also attending important conferences in ring theory and Hopf algebras. One of my advisor's colleagues was working with another colleague on an extension of an important construction of a particular bialgebra that my advisor said would be good for me to pursue as the centerpiece of my Ph.D. dissertation.

In the summer of '92, my advisor and I attended a conference on Hopf algebras hosted at DePaul. Many of the "big guns" interested in Hopf algebras and quantum groups were there, including the gentleman who was also interested in the above-mentioned extension. My advisor said I might have three weeks to produce the extension, as the hot interest in the area meant that someone else would certainly do it and get it in print fairly quickly. No pressure there!!

The fall 1992 semester got underway, and I was busy trying to produce the result; a misunderstanding on my part cost me some valuable time in obtaining the generators and relations for the desired bialgebra. My advisor's colleague and his collaborator basically had much of the work done themselves, but they graciously gave me "first dibs" on the work if I could get it done by Dec. 31, 1992. It took a bunch of work, and a little luck, but I was able to fax them my results by Dec. 30th to beat their deadline. Soon after, I received a nice letter from one of them congratulating me on the work, and granting me permission to use it in my dissertation and then publish the results. All's well that ends well, as they say!

Kevin Charlwood, Washburn University E-mail: kevin.charlwood@washburn.edu



[new] Thanks (none / 0) (#4)
by Unity on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 02:47:11 AM PDT

Thank you for the tips, I'm sure they might be useful. Good think that you were able to finish your research even after getting scooped, it can't have been easy.
Unity, Web Developer currently working on the herb colon project.


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