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The Campus Interview and Beyond Job Search

By chawne
from the will prove theorems for food department
Posted Sat Jan 17, 2004 at 04:22:30 PM PDT
[editor's note, by dkung] We ran this story two years ago, but it's that time of the year again ...

Here's what to expect to happen on a campus interview, what one should do during the interview and how to negotiate a deal once the offer is on the table.

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MAA-YMN Panel Discussion "Closing the Deal: The campus interview and beyond"

The MAA-YMN Panel Discussion "Closing the Deal: The campus interview and beyond" was a success at the AMS-MAA Joint Meetings in San Diego (Jan 2002). The session was organized by Chawne Kimber (Lafayette College) and Dave Kung (St. Mary's College of Maryland) and the panelists were Carl Cowen (Purdue), Gwen Fisher (CalPoly-San Luis Obispo), Thomas Pfaff (Ithaca College) and Carol Wood (Wesleyan University (CT)). They are well informed, experienced professionals who gave open and direct information. The discussion touched on the subjects of what to expect to happen on a campus interview, what one should do during the interview and how to negotiate a deal once the offer is on the table. The following is a summary of the information contained in the panelists' 10-minute presentations as well as the questions and discussion generated by the 75 audience members.

The Campus Interview

All campus interviews will involve presenting a talk, interviewing with the chair, meeting other faculty, taking a tour of the department and/or campus and having a meal with a group of faculty members. Some campus visits also include: an interview with the Dean/Provost/President, a meeting with members of other departments, a conversation with students or a party. Request an itinerary when you get the invitation to visit so that you'll know what to expect and so that you can request particular meetings that may not be a part of their standard campus visit. It is okay to ask how you are expected to dress, as some casual events may be scheduled during the visit.

The Talk, in particular

Keep in mind that the talk is the most important part of the campus interview. Before you visit ask questions about their expectations and consider the advice below. For instance,

1. Do they want a research presentation, math club talk or sample class? For research talks find out if they want to know the particulars of your results or a broad overview of your field. In either case, be sure to point out which theorems are your own when you mention them.

2. Who will be in the audience? If you are to present a sample class, ask about the background of the students who will be in the audience. Like: "Have they had a course in abstract algebra?" or "Which calculus text do you use?" Don't pitch too high or too low--there is a delicate balance here. Practice your presentation for professors or friends and ask them to assess the level of your presentation. Then adjust accordingly. Be clear and avoid using jargon that only an expert would understand.

3. How much time is allowed for the presentation? Don't go overtime! Also make sure to use at least 90% of the time for you, allowing a few minutes for questions and comments from the audience at the end.

Before the Visit

In addition to getting additional information about the presentation you are to give, there are some things you should ask about or research on your own and clarify.

1. In general it's best not to call the school in mid-February for information about your status. Applicants tend to have to wait while the interviewers are busy behind the scenes. The exception: do call if you get offers or interviews at other schools and you still want to explore the possibility of interviewing there.

2. Find out about the college: number of students, kinds of math courses offered, etc. At liberal arts colleges it is common to ask the candidate what courses he/she would like to teach to make sure that you'll fit in with the mission of the department. Take a look at the online course catalogs to determine this ahead of time.

3. Who will be your host? Are you to stay in a hotel or in the home of a current faculty member? Who will be fetching you from the airport?

4. Who is the administrator you will meet? What is the Dean/Provost/President like? What is his/her field? Does he/she have any pet projects or particularly strong leanings you should be aware of?

5. Come up with a list of questions that you'll ask the interviewers during the campus visit. One that comes to mind is: "If you could change one thing about the institution what would it be?" It's good to ask some questions of more than one person during the campus interview, as there may be ambiguity in the particular policy at the school. This is a good way to find that out. Here's a checklist of things you might want to find out about.

a. What are the current/normal expectations for tenure (type and/or number of publications, grants, course development, service on committees, etc)?

b. What is the history of people getting tenure in the department? Is the rate of denials high?

c. What are the benefits offered, like health care and retirement?

d. What would be your role in the undergraduate or graduate programs in the department?

e. Are there sabbatical/leave opportunities?

f. What is the quality of library resources? Is there a budget for buying books in your field?

g. What is the teaching load and number of preparations, possibility of teaching summer courses, class size, calculus text used and classes you'll likely teach and the prerequisites for those?

h. How is your teaching evaluated for tenure review? Are student evaluations the only instrument or are peer reviews considered?

i. How many and what kinds of colloquia/seminars are presented?

j. Is faculty mentoring offered?

k. How are computing services handled? Will they provide you with a computer? Do students have computer access?

l. At religious schools: How does the church affiliation affect the way the college operates? That is, how close are their ties? Will you be expected to conform?

m. How well do people in the department get along? Are there factions?

n. What is the interview timetable? When can you expect to hear from them again?


During the Campus Interview

In short: Be yourself. Show interest in the school/job. Ask questions.

Caveat: "The interview begins when you get off the plane and ends when you get on the plane to leave." Even conversations that seem informal provide the search committee with information about you. Despite your nervousness and eagerness to please, try to be yourself. Yes, the campus visit is an opportunity for the institution to get to know you. Likewise, you should be "trying on the job" to see if the college and the department are a good match for you. To abuse a quotation: find out not only what the college can do for you, but also what you can do for the college.

Taking notes throughout the visit is important. Write down the names of the people you meet; you can also take down some of the questions listed above in a notebook and keep track of the various responses. Record your gut reactions to events and people during the visit so that you'll have these to read later.

Illegal questions: If you are asked illegal questions, ones that refer to your politics, religion, marital status, ethnicity, sexual orientation, etc., you should answer the reasonable ones candidly. Otherwise, deflect them with a question of your own, such as: "Wouldn't you think me unprofessional if I answered that?" or "I prefer to keep my personal and professional lives separate, don't you?"

Two-body problem: Mention your partner later rather than sooner, but let them know in time to try to help you out. Of course for you this may mean discussing the issue at the campus visit, while others may wait until they have the offer to bring it up. In any event, accept any interview at a place where there's potential for things to work out and don't pass up opportunities to explore your options.

After the Campus Interview

Write short thank you notes to your host and the chair.

Again, don't call to ask for information about your status, but be fair to the schools by keeping departments updated if you have a preferred offer in-hand. A few months after the process ends, it is okay to call to ask for feedback on an interview. You can learn a great deal from your mistakes.

Once You Have an Offer

You can start to think about negotiating the deal. You should first educate yourself about salary trends. At the AMS Math salaries website you can read about average faculty salaries in math departments; at the Chronicle Stats site you'll find average salaries listed by school. Compare salaries at your rank (probably assistant professor) and your type of institution (research versus liberal arts school). Simultaneously, compare costs of living using an online salary calculator.

There are other items that can be negotiated into the contract. Consider some of the following, choosing those things that are important to you. Keep in mind that you'll probably have to leverage. The chair is on your side during the negotiation process (the Dean/Provost is usually the one who holds the purse strings), so work with him/her.

1. Use the salary data you gather to get a fair salary. Keep in mind that a $1000-$2000 difference piles up over the years with raises.

2. Find out how much support for travel is provided. If it's not enough, ask for more. For instance, Project NExT requires attendance at three conferences in the first year. Make sure you can cover those if you wish to participate.

3. Will a computer be provided or are you to get it yourself?

4. Ask for a start-up budget. If you need to buy your own computer, laser printer or books, this is where you can cover them. Ask for what you need.

5. Can you get a course-release for the first year(s)?

6. If you are also offered a postdoc at another institution, you can ask for your first semester or year(s) on leave.

7. Is there money for the summer before your job begins? How about a pre-tenure sabbatical leave after your third year?

8. Compare health care coverage, co-pays, etc.

9. Compare retirement benefits.

10. Will they provide tuition reimbursement for courses for you or your family?

11. Are there fitness center and/or parking fees?

12. Get them to cover your moving expenses, including possibly a trip back to search for housing.

All of the preceding is ADVICE, rather than written rules. The job search process sometimes works in mysterious ways and so there are no guarantees. But, take this information for what it's worth. Good luck.
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[new] Campus Interview (5.00 / 1) (#6)
by Amelia Taylor on Fri Mar 07, 2003 at 10:32:35 AM PDT

I just completed a search and I had questions for the Deans and Presidents that I met that they were impressed with. Some questions to ask (depending on the school affects which questions are dean and which are president and you might not meet the president).

How do you view the mathematics department as part of the college?
What do you see as the future of the college?
What research support is there for me and what is there for students?

These questions lead to good conversations. Another suggestion that was given to me was to use these meetings as a chance to discuss all the wonderful things you do outside of your department. Finally, I was asked some tough questions by some of the Deans and Presidents I met.

Describe your research. (And this is for a Classics or History, or German, etc. professor).
What about teaching gets you excited, i.e. what gets you out of bed in the morning (it really was worded this way)?
Describe your teaching (I find this one tough because you have no idea what they want...).

If you are interviewing at a school with a religious affiliation, regardless of how intense this affiliation is you will be asked to address how you see yourself fitting into it. Be sure to know how the school thinks of this affiliation and be honest. If the school expects you to say you believe in God and you don't, then maybe you shouldn't be there. If the school doesn't expect this (some do, some don't) what are they looking for? Ask questions, scour their webpages. Mission statements can help a lot with this.

Finally, my best President questions were at a school where I was able to get my hands on a letter from the President to alumni. Again look on the webpages and look for a letter/statement from the President. Inevitably there is a discussion of the goals of the school and you can ask specific questions about how they plan to accomplish these goals, it also shows you did homework, because otherwise you wouldn't know this information. Another particulary good one was a school where I knew the US News and World Reports ranking. The ranking was very good and I said that many of us question those rankings, but students and parents look at them. How did he (president) envision guiding the school to keep such a high ranking.

I had many experiences this season and if you are interested in knowing more, you are welcome to ask. To give you and idea, I had 21 interviews in Baltimore and turned down several from schools I did not apply to. I had 16 on campus inviations, of which I attended 7. I had 2 offers and expected a third, but turned it down before the committee met. I applied mainly to teaching oriented schools, but not necessarily only liberal arts colleges. I can be reached at ataylor@math.rutgers.edu.



[new] campus interview (4.00 / 1) (#2)
by Anonymous Hero on Fri Feb 14, 2003 at 08:46:51 AM PDT

I just got done with my first on-campus interview and I think it went very well. Your advice was helpful, especially in just letting me know what to expect and calming my nerves. But I have one more question. When I write a short thank-you note to the host and chair, can I send it via e-mail? My mother is horrified by that thought and thinks I should send a little card.



[new] Other advice? (none / 0) (#1)
by chawne on Sun Feb 09, 2003 at 10:37:45 AM PDT

Does anyone out there have other advice to add? Any unusual campus interview experiences to share?



[new] Good (none / 0) (#7)
by Carrie on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 04:49:59 AM PDT

I learned a lot by reading this article. I haven't thought of the possibility to negotiate for other things than a higher salary before. Great thing that you mentioned it!
Carrie, IT Professional currently working on the alternative medicine colon project.


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