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Lessons Learned from Getting Scooped | 4 comments (4 topical, 0 hidden)
[new] getting scooped (none / 0) (#1)
by Anonymous Hero on Thu May 01, 2003 at 07:53:02 PM PDT

Hi everyone,
Here is my story.
My PhD adviser is a famous mathematician from a
foreign country. He's got very few connections in
the US and does not have any collaborators,
as far as I know. The range of problems that he
is interested in is rather broad.
I was perfectly happy with that.

***
He had me work on
a conjectural statement connected to a famous
conjecture of his.
He explained me that the existing ideas are not
sufficient, and it would be nice if I can learn
some tools from a related field. Then I should
try to apply ideas from that area to my problem.
I spent about two years learning the new tools that
he was suggesting and in the meantime I had also
proved some nice (small) result unrelated to his
problem.  
He told me that it would be about 25% of my thesis.
I was perfectly happy with that.

***
Then I started working on the suggested problem
and solved it. Initially he said that would be my
thesis. Then I wrote the authors of the conjecture
and found out that one of them had the problem solved
(about 4 months ahead of me)
and his preprint was already submitted to a journal.

***
As I said before, my adviser does not talk to anybody
and consequently he was not even aware of the status
of my problem. When I told him, he changed his mind
with respect to my graduation and gave me one more
year to solve some other question. He didn't give
me a specific one, realizing that I would have
little time to solve it.

***
Honestly, I was thinking of changing fields
at that point. Finally, the summer was a good time
for me to rethink my options and decided that
I could still do something. And I solved some
other small question and graduated.

***
Unfortunately, mathematics is a field where the
big fish eats the small fish. My advise for you,
if you happen to be in graduate school and read
this: don't choose advisors who are newcomers to
the US (I feel sorry to say that, I'm an international
person myself), are less active or have very few
connections. You may end up in the role of the small
fish.

***

Good luck to you all!



[new] Avoiding getting scooped (none / 0) (#3)
by Anonymous Hero on Wed May 14, 2003 at 03:57:01 PM PDT

Beating them to the Punch

Emil Volcheck's recent piece on "getting scooped" reminded me of my situation as a graduate student years ago. Back in '92, I was working in quantum groups, mostly reading in the area and also attending important conferences in ring theory and Hopf algebras. One of my advisor's colleagues was working with another colleague on an extension of an important construction of a particular bialgebra that my advisor said would be good for me to pursue as the centerpiece of my Ph.D. dissertation.

In the summer of '92, my advisor and I attended a conference on Hopf algebras hosted at DePaul. Many of the "big guns" interested in Hopf algebras and quantum groups were there, including the gentleman who was also interested in the above-mentioned extension. My advisor said I might have three weeks to produce the extension, as the hot interest in the area meant that someone else would certainly do it and get it in print fairly quickly. No pressure there!!

The fall 1992 semester got underway, and I was busy trying to produce the result; a misunderstanding on my part cost me some valuable time in obtaining the generators and relations for the desired bialgebra. My advisor's colleague and his collaborator basically had much of the work done themselves, but they graciously gave me "first dibs" on the work if I could get it done by Dec. 31, 1992. It took a bunch of work, and a little luck, but I was able to fax them my results by Dec. 30th to beat their deadline. Soon after, I received a nice letter from one of them congratulating me on the work, and granting me permission to use it in my dissertation and then publish the results. All's well that ends well, as they say!

Kevin Charlwood, Washburn University E-mail: kevin.charlwood@washburn.edu



[new] Thanks (none / 0) (#4)
by Unity on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 02:47:11 AM PDT

Thank you for the tips, I'm sure they might be useful. Good think that you were able to finish your research even after getting scooped, it can't have been easy.
Unity, Web Developer currently working on the herb colon project.


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